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July 05, 2007, at 04:39 AM by Chintu Hendriks - Journal 050707
July 05, 2007, at 04:36 AM by Chintu Hendriks - Journal 050707
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Cost reduction didnít go well, 03/07/2007

I have tried to get the costs of the materials for the stool lower. Didnít go very good. Here are the results:

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Reaction on the point of view of the women group, 04/07/2007

Is selling one stool a month enough?
A reaction on ďWoman Group San Juan; 03/07/2007Ē

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Attach:D032_300607WoodForFrame.jpg Δ | The wood that is needed for one frame Wood:
Last time I bought wood for the stool I paid Ä0,50 for a complete frame for one stool. Today I was told that this wasnít the normal price. It was so cheap because he had some small pieces of wood left which he could use. When he has to use Ďnewí wood, it would be somewhere around Ä2,00.

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Yes:
One stool a month is enough. All the woman that are part of the group can use some extra money. One stool a month probably wonít produce a lot of money but it is more that selling no stools.

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Other carpenters asked approximately the same. They also offered planed en not planed wood for the same price. I did get some addresses of places where I could try to get not planed wood for a lower price. These places are pretty far so I saved that trip for another day.

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No:
-Making the stools will get easier and easier the more you make. Selling one stool a month and making them in sets of 10 stools means that there is a period of approximately 10 months that they will make no stools. This is too long to create a good routine. A lot of time and quality will be lost.
-There is more possible. There can be sold more!

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Metal:
After that, I went to look for cheap/free metal for the corners of the stool. Free metal was no where to be found, exept some small pieces on the garbage dumping place. Al the metal thatís still usble gets recycled. So I visited some shops to ask for prices.

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Do I agree with the estimation of selling one stool a month?
It is a hard guess. There are many things unknown, like for example the production price. Nonetheless, looking at(an estimation of) the number of visitors, the percentage of those visitors which actually buy something, last months interest in de stool and sale figures I think they made a pretty good and honest guess.
I said above, I think there can be sold more. Some reasons why:
-The store is located in San Juan, near San Pedro en Panajachel. It is the smallest of those three and gets considerably less tourists. San Pedro en Panajachel also offer much more if tourists want to shop for local goods.
-Less then five percent of the tourists around here come with there own car and itís pretty far from an airport or other economical-big places. Taking an object like the stool on a crowded long bus ride brings the change of damaging it.

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Attach:D032_300607RollOfMetal.jpg Δ | Metal for the frame corners The stores in San Pedro where a little bit cheaper then those in San Juan. A piece of metal(90x150) costs Q85, which is approximately 8,50 in Euros. Some helpful men told me that it would probably a bit cheaper in Panajachel.

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What next?

This stage in de development of the stool is about gathering information. Photoís and videoís for, among other things, instruction manuals. Information about the adoption, deffusion, real needs, influence concerning self-reliance and so on. Considering this, I see three possibilities:

-Go on with the plan to ask this group for the first workshop;
-We look for an other group that could possibly sell more;
-Or we stick with the plan to ask this group but try to let them sell more.


-Go on with the plan to ask this group for the first workshop This group of women is very enthusiastic about the stool. Although they probably wonít sell many stools, they are more than willing to join a workshop. Because we know them and they know us, it is more likely to get some good feedback from them.

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Bamboo mould for the lid, 03/07/2007

I have taken a look at the bamboo and the differences in size are very big. If we use only one size of bamboo, there is gone be a lot of bamboo being unused. A way to avoid this, is by making the short pieces from thinner bamboo and the longer they get the thicker the bamboo gets. The mould can be used with thinner bamboo by placing a piece of wood besides it, but I havenīt tried that yet. Can I start making the mould to test it? Or will it be completely different now we are going to use a drill?

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-We look for another group that could possibly sell more. For example a women who sell there goods on markets, or who sell there goods in more popular tourist places. This way they can make them by routine. This will also ensure a faster diffusion.

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Woman Group San Juan, 03/07/2007

Saturday, while painting the front wall, I had a good opportunity to talk with a local women group about the stool.

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-We stick with the plan to ask this group but try to let them sell more. Like I said before, this group is really enthusiastic about joining the workshop. We could give them a marketing-like workshop on how to sell more stools. They could for example sell them to shops in panajachel.

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Attach:D032_300607ExpoStool.jpg Δ | The stool inside the shop Some background information about the woman group: They have set up a store to sell local products like cotton, thee and soap to make some money. They also placed one of our stools inside there shop. They are familiar with the way it looks and a little bit with the ideas behind it.

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Cost reduction didnít go well, 03/07/2007

I have tried to get the costs of the materials for the stool lower. Didnít go very good. Here are the results:

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Here is a short overview of the information I got:

-Tourists are there main target group.

-They expect that the number of tourists will rapidly grow the coming years

-Most visitors are looking for cotton, which they associate with Guatemala, Nonetheless, they had some positive reaction on the stool

-Costumers where surprised to see the storage capabilities and the didnít noticed it until the saleswoman showed it to them.

-One customer showed interest in buying the stool. The woman asked app. Ä20 for it. The costumer thought that was to much and left.

-The women have a very passive selling technique. Partially because of habits and partially to make the costumers feel comfortable.

-They want to attract costumerís with the way there shop looks and not with bothering them with īcheap talkī

-They think they could sell one stool a month.

-They see the production of the stool as followed:

 Make 10 stools. When there are only five left they will make another 10 stools, and so on.

-They think decoration plays a big part in selling the stool.

-They like the idea to replace the triplex with cotton decoration (if thatís strong enough). Theíll give me an estimated price next week.

to:

Attach:D032_300607WoodForFrame.jpg Δ | The wood that is needed for one frame Wood:
Last time I bought wood for the stool I paid Ä0,50 for a complete frame for one stool. Today I was told that this wasnít the normal price. It was so cheap because he had some small pieces of wood left which he could use. When he has to use Ďnewí wood, it would be somewhere around Ä2,00.

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Other carpenters asked approximately the same. They also offered planed en not planed wood for the same price. I did get some addresses of places where I could try to get not planed wood for a lower price. These places are pretty far so I saved that trip for another day.


Metal:
After that, I went to look for cheap/free metal for the corners of the stool. Free metal was no where to be found, exept some small pieces on the garbage dumping place. Al the metal thatís still usble gets recycled. So I visited some shops to ask for prices.


Attach:D032_300607RollOfMetal.jpg Δ | Metal for the frame corners The stores in San Pedro where a little bit cheaper then those in San Juan. A piece of metal(90x150) costs Q85, which is approximately 8,50 in Euros. Some helpful men told me that it would probably a bit cheaper in Panajachel.


Bamboo mould for the lid, 03/07/2007

I have taken a look at the bamboo and the differences in size are very big. If we use only one size of bamboo, there is gone be a lot of bamboo being unused. A way to avoid this, is by making the short pieces from thinner bamboo and the longer they get the thicker the bamboo gets. The mould can be used with thinner bamboo by placing a piece of wood besides it, but I havenīt tried that yet. Can I start making the mould to test it? Or will it be completely different now we are going to use a drill?


Woman Group San Juan, 03/07/2007

Saturday, while painting the front wall, I had a good opportunity to talk with a local women group about the stool.


Attach:D032_300607ExpoStool.jpg Δ | The stool inside the shop Some background information about the woman group: They have set up a store to sell local products like cotton, thee and soap to make some money. They also placed one of our stools inside there shop. They are familiar with the way it looks and a little bit with the ideas behind it.


Here is a short overview of the information I got:

-Tourists are there main target group.

-They expect that the number of tourists will rapidly grow the coming years

-Most visitors are looking for cotton, which they associate with Guatemala, Nonetheless, they had some positive reaction on the stool

-Costumers where surprised to see the storage capabilities and the didnít noticed it until the saleswoman showed it to them.

-One customer showed interest in buying the stool. The woman asked app. Ä20 for it. The costumer thought that was to much and left.

-The women have a very passive selling technique. Partially because of habits and partially to make the costumers feel comfortable.

-They want to attract costumerís with the way there shop looks and not with bothering them with īcheap talkī

-They think they could sell one stool a month.

-They see the production of the stool as followed:

 Make 10 stools. When there are only five left they will make another 10 stools, and so on.

-They think decoration plays a big part in selling the stool.

-They like the idea to replace the triplex with cotton decoration (if thatís strong enough). Theíll give me an estimated price next week.


July 03, 2007, at 10:19 PM by Chintu - Edited journal 030707(2)
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-Most visitors are looking for cotton, which they associate with Guatemala, Nonetheless, they had some positive reaction on it the stool

-One customer showed interest in buying the stool. The woman asked app. Ä20 for it. The costumer thought that was to much.

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-Most visitors are looking for cotton, which they associate with Guatemala, Nonetheless, they had some positive reaction on the stool

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-One customer showed interest in buying the stool. The woman asked app. Ä20 for it. The costumer thought that was to much and left.

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-They want to attract costumerís whit the way there shop looks.

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-They want to attract costumerís with the way there shop looks and not with bothering them with īcheap talkī

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-The like the idea to replace the triplex with cotton decoration (if itís strong enough). Theíll give me an estimated price next week.

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-They like the idea to replace the triplex with cotton decoration (if thatís strong enough). Theíll give me an estimated price next week.

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I have taken a look at the bamboo and the differences in size are very big. If we use the mould you made, there is gone be a lot of bamboo unused. A way to avoid this, is by making the short pieces from thinner bamboo and the longer they get the thicker the bamboo gets. The mould can be used with thinner bamboo by placing a piece of wood besides it, but I havenīt tried that yet. Can I start making the mould to test it? Or will it be completely different now we are going to use a drill?

to:

I have taken a look at the bamboo and the differences in size are very big. If we use only one size of bamboo, there is gone be a lot of bamboo being unused. A way to avoid this, is by making the short pieces from thinner bamboo and the longer they get the thicker the bamboo gets. The mould can be used with thinner bamboo by placing a piece of wood besides it, but I havenīt tried that yet. Can I start making the mould to test it? Or will it be completely different now we are going to use a drill?

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I have tried to get the costs for the materials for the stool a little bit lower. Didnít go very good. Here are the results:

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I have tried to get the costs of the materials for the stool lower. Didnít go very good. Here are the results:

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July 03, 2007, at 09:50 PM by Chintu - Edited journal 030707
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Journal, 03/07/2007

Saturday the woman group here in San Juan, with which we have regular contact, had asked me if I wanted to help with painting the front wall. Thinking that this would be a good opportunity to ask them everything I wanted to know about there opinion concerning the stools, I said yes! This way I could create an environment in which they know that telling the truth will not offend me.

Some background information about the woman group: They have set up a store to sell local products like cotton, thee and soap to make some money. They also placed one of our stools inside this store. They are familiar with the way it looks and a little bit with the ideas behind it.

It went prety good and I got a lot of information. Here is a short overview:

- Most of the people who visit there shop only look at the cotton articles, which they associate with Guatemala. Nonetheless, they had some positive reaction on the stool. There also was someone who wanted to buy it. They asked Q200, approximately 20 euros, for it. The customer thought it was too much and left. It was not there to sell it, so we did not told them what the production costs where. It looks like we should have been more specific about this, because the production costs where Q250, app. 25 euros. It was so expensive because of the painting on it.

-They noticed that most of the costumers that paid attention to the stool where surprised to see the storage compartment. They tried to change the elaboration so that the lit could stay open and people would automaticly see the posibilities for storage but the lit feld down a couple of dayīs ago and sinds that time no one had put it back up.

-There approach when it comes to selling is very passive. Partially because of there habits and partially to give costumers a more relaxed feeling. They donít want to get customers by talking them into the shop, they want to make the shop look nice and attract costumers that way.

-They see tourists as there main target group. This also includes people from Guatemala who are on vacation. They except that the number of tourist(mostly from Europe and America) will rapidly grow the coming years. I asked them how tourist should take this relatively big object with them when they havenít got a car(which is, I guess 90% of the tourists over here). There where no awnsers so we agreed that they would think about it, and let me know some ideas.

-They told me that they expected to sell one stool a month. On the question how the production would look like, they told me that they would make ten pieces. Once there are 5 left, they would make another ten of them.

-In there opinion the decoration plays a big part in selling the stools. Asking them how they would decorate the stools resulted in a silence. Suddenly someone said Ďweíll just bring them to the painterí. I told them that this would make the stools much more expensive, referring to the one they wanted to sell for less then the production price. I asked them if they had any other ideas. There was no answered, so I asked them if they could replace the wood with some nice collard cotton. They liked this and told me that that would be no problem. I told them that one of the ideas behind the design is that itís cheap and asked them how much the cotton decoration would cost. They promised to give me an answer at the end of next week.

I had the feeling that they think the stool is a good idea partly because we said so. Looking at the fact that they donít yet know how much it cost to make and for what price it can be sold, I get the impression that the financial part it all based on trust. This trust would make this project easier but does not fit in self-reliance, where vulnerability from outside must be brought to the minimum. Therefore I think itís a good idea, when we are in the stage of a workshop, to arrange a meeting before the actual workshop and discuss the financial potential accompanied by some general information which they can use more frequent.

Sunday I didnít do much work. I started on the mal for the lid of the stool and I think the deferensís in thickness en the many bandings are gone be a problem. If you buy a lot of bamboo you can find some good pieces, but not using the rest will make it much more expensive. It would be usefull if the thickness of the mal could variate, so that you could for example start with short thin bamboo and end with langer en thicker bamboo.

Today Iíve manly been working on cost reduction. I started with a visit to the carpenter. This brought some bad news. Last time I asked him to make some wooden pieces for the stool it cost me 50 eurocents per frame for one stool. Today he told me that it was that cheap because he had some wood left that was to small for most of his work, normally it costs about 2 Euro.
I visited some other carpenters an there costs where approximately the same. Also they told me at every carpenter I went that planed an not planed wood would be the same price. I did get some addresses of places where I could try to get not planed wood for a lower cost. These places are pretty far so I saved that trip for another day.
After that I went to look for cheap/free metal for the corners of the stool. Spitting trough the garbage didnít gave me much. Al the metal that is still usable gets recycled. I visited some shops to ask for prices. Although they asked almost the same, the stores in San Pedro where a little bit cheaper. A piece of metal(90x150) costs Q85, which is approximately 8,50 in Euros. Some helpful men told me that it would probably a bit cheaper in Guatemala City.

to:

Cost reduction didnít go well, 03/07/2007

I have tried to get the costs for the materials for the stool a little bit lower. Didnít go very good. Here are the results:


Attach:D032_300607WoodForFrame.jpg Δ | The wood that is needed for one frame

Wood:
Last time I bought wood for the stool I paid Ä0,50 for a complete frame for one stool. Today I was told that this wasnít the normal price. It was so cheap because he had some small pieces of wood left which he could use. When he has to use Ďnewí wood, it would be somewhere around Ä2,00.


Other carpenters asked approximately the same. They also offered planed en not planed wood for the same price. I did get some addresses of places where I could try to get not planed wood for a lower price. These places are pretty far so I saved that trip for another day.


Metal:
After that, I went to look for cheap/free metal for the corners of the stool. Free metal was no where to be found, exept some small pieces on the garbage dumping place. Al the metal thatís still usble gets recycled. So I visited some shops to ask for prices.


Attach:D032_300607RollOfMetal.jpg Δ | Metal for the frame corners

The stores in San Pedro where a little bit cheaper then those in San Juan. A piece of metal(90x150) costs Q85, which is approximately 8,50 in Euros. Some helpful men told me that it would probably a bit cheaper in Panajachel.


Bamboo mould for the lid, 03/07/2007

I have taken a look at the bamboo and the differences in size are very big. If we use the mould you made, there is gone be a lot of bamboo unused. A way to avoid this, is by making the short pieces from thinner bamboo and the longer they get the thicker the bamboo gets. The mould can be used with thinner bamboo by placing a piece of wood besides it, but I havenīt tried that yet. Can I start making the mould to test it? Or will it be completely different now we are going to use a drill?


Woman Group San Juan, 03/07/2007

Saturday, while painting the front wall, I had a good opportunity to talk with a local women group about the stool.


Attach:D032_300607ExpoStool.jpg Δ | The stool inside the shop Some background information about the woman group: They have set up a store to sell local products like cotton, thee and soap to make some money. They also placed one of our stools inside there shop. They are familiar with the way it looks and a little bit with the ideas behind it.


Here is a short overview of the information I got:

-Tourists are there main target group.

-They expect that the number of tourists will rapidly grow the coming years

-Most visitors are looking for cotton, which they associate with Guatemala, Nonetheless, they had some positive reaction on it the stool

-One customer showed interest in buying the stool. The woman asked app. Ä20 for it. The costumer thought that was to much.

-Costumers where surprised to see the storage capabilities and the didnít noticed it until the saleswoman showed it to them.

-The women have a very passive selling technique. Partially because of habits and partially to make the costumers feel comfortable.

-They want to attract costumerís whit the way there shop looks.

-They think they could sell one stool a month.

-They see the production of the stool as followed:

 Make 10 stools. When there are only five left they will make another 10 stools, and so on.

-They think decoration plays a big part in selling the stool.

-The like the idea to replace the triplex with cotton decoration (if itís strong enough). Theíll give me an estimated price next week.


July 03, 2007, at 04:07 AM by Chintu Hendriks - Journal 03072007
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Title Mail, date in day/month/year \\

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Journal, 03/07/2007

Saturday the woman group here in San Juan, with which we have regular contact, had asked me if I wanted to help with painting the front wall. Thinking that this would be a good opportunity to ask them everything I wanted to know about there opinion concerning the stools, I said yes! This way I could create an environment in which they know that telling the truth will not offend me.

Some background information about the woman group: They have set up a store to sell local products like cotton, thee and soap to make some money. They also placed one of our stools inside this store. They are familiar with the way it looks and a little bit with the ideas behind it.

It went prety good and I got a lot of information. Here is a short overview:

- Most of the people who visit there shop only look at the cotton articles, which they associate with Guatemala. Nonetheless, they had some positive reaction on the stool. There also was someone who wanted to buy it. They asked Q200, approximately 20 euros, for it. The customer thought it was too much and left. It was not there to sell it, so we did not told them what the production costs where. It looks like we should have been more specific about this, because the production costs where Q250, app. 25 euros. It was so expensive because of the painting on it.

-They noticed that most of the costumers that paid attention to the stool where surprised to see the storage compartment. They tried to change the elaboration so that the lit could stay open and people would automaticly see the posibilities for storage but the lit feld down a couple of dayīs ago and sinds that time no one had put it back up.

-There approach when it comes to selling is very passive. Partially because of there habits and partially to give costumers a more relaxed feeling. They donít want to get customers by talking them into the shop, they want to make the shop look nice and attract costumers that way.

-They see tourists as there main target group. This also includes people from Guatemala who are on vacation. They except that the number of tourist(mostly from Europe and America) will rapidly grow the coming years. I asked them how tourist should take this relatively big object with them when they havenít got a car(which is, I guess 90% of the tourists over here). There where no awnsers so we agreed that they would think about it, and let me know some ideas.

-They told me that they expected to sell one stool a month. On the question how the production would look like, they told me that they would make ten pieces. Once there are 5 left, they would make another ten of them.

-In there opinion the decoration plays a big part in selling the stools. Asking them how they would decorate the stools resulted in a silence. Suddenly someone said Ďweíll just bring them to the painterí. I told them that this would make the stools much more expensive, referring to the one they wanted to sell for less then the production price. I asked them if they had any other ideas. There was no answered, so I asked them if they could replace the wood with some nice collard cotton. They liked this and told me that that would be no problem. I told them that one of the ideas behind the design is that itís cheap and asked them how much the cotton decoration would cost. They promised to give me an answer at the end of next week.

I had the feeling that they think the stool is a good idea partly because we said so. Looking at the fact that they donít yet know how much it cost to make and for what price it can be sold, I get the impression that the financial part it all based on trust. This trust would make this project easier but does not fit in self-reliance, where vulnerability from outside must be brought to the minimum. Therefore I think itís a good idea, when we are in the stage of a workshop, to arrange a meeting before the actual workshop and discuss the financial potential accompanied by some general information which they can use more frequent.

Sunday I didnít do much work. I started on the mal for the lid of the stool and I think the deferensís in thickness en the many bandings are gone be a problem. If you buy a lot of bamboo you can find some good pieces, but not using the rest will make it much more expensive. It would be usefull if the thickness of the mal could variate, so that you could for example start with short thin bamboo and end with langer en thicker bamboo.

Today Iíve manly been working on cost reduction. I started with a visit to the carpenter. This brought some bad news. Last time I asked him to make some wooden pieces for the stool it cost me 50 eurocents per frame for one stool. Today he told me that it was that cheap because he had some wood left that was to small for most of his work, normally it costs about 2 Euro.
I visited some other carpenters an there costs where approximately the same. Also they told me at every carpenter I went that planed an not planed wood would be the same price. I did get some addresses of places where I could try to get not planed wood for a lower cost. These places are pretty far so I saved that trip for another day.
After that I went to look for cheap/free metal for the corners of the stool. Spitting trough the garbage didnít gave me much. Al the metal that is still usable gets recycled. I visited some shops to ask for prices. Although they asked almost the same, the stores in San Pedro where a little bit cheaper. A piece of metal(90x150) costs Q85, which is approximately 8,50 in Euros. Some helpful men told me that it would probably a bit cheaper in Guatemala City.

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Chintu! When you dump mail info in this page, then please do it as follows, and check the way how it is done in the edit-mode:


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